KoH uses a looting system called 'Let's talk about it'.  It's a very simple system;  when loot drops, we discuss the loot, decide who it's best for and that person gets it. If two or more people really want it, we will talk about it a bit further, arm-wrestle for it and then eventually just give it to Tane, cause it makes him less grumpy.

However, as we explore higher end content, we may go back to another system called float/sink which originated back in the D&D days. It was brought to WoW with an add-on called Suicide Kings (which was very buggy) so we wrote our own called BootyCall.

Here's the scoop and some questions - Wall of text to follow.

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Loot

(Originally posted by Nemo)

Hey Knights!

We have a new loot system. It's based on an abandoned mod called SuicideKings. I was recommended it by a friend in another guild, and we've tried it out on our exploratory Kara runs. It works well, and we're going to use the same system on all of our Kara runs, including the Open Kara runs now on the calendar.

Basics:

There is an ordered list which has everyone who has raided this instance. When an item drops, we ask people in order starting at the top of the list. The first person who says "yes" gets the item. That person then moves to the end of the list. One important detail, though: if you're not in the raid when the loot drops, your position on the list is frozen.

Basically, when you see someone get loot, they move behind you (likely way behind you). When you get loot, everyone who was there moves ahead of you.

Let me show how it works with a sample list. Five brave Knights are five-manning Kara (unlikely), while three couldn't make it (marked with stars):

1 Akilleiun

2 Rosdav

*3 Bleeds

4 Tunderstruk

*5 Warobi

6 Malkuror

7 Mystaya

*8 Jay/Gallifrey

(Bleeds couldn't make the raid because he was teaching Bleeds Jr. to cheap shot, while Warobi was off making people cry in pvp. Jay was writing another addon.)

Yay, loot drop! It's the [Return to Sender Mail]. The raid talks it over and it's an upgrade to Tunder, who takes it. Here's how the list looks now.

1 Akilleiun

2 Rosdav

*3 Bleeds

4 Malkuror

*5 Warobi

6 Mystaya

7 Tunderstruk

*8 Jay/Gallifrey

See how the starred people didn't move? No matter what happens, at the end of the raid: Bleeds is 3rd, Warobi is 5th, and Jay is 8th... just like when they last raided. The next time that each of those people raid, they pick up right where they left off.

That's it.

We like this system because it's easy, friendly, and fast. No points, no bidding, no bonuses, no penalties. You can pass on something if you want someone else to get it (in fact, it's encouraged). We talk over vent about who could benefit from each item, but the decision belongs to each person on the list.

Jay has written an addon that we're using called BootyCall to help us officers track the list.

Special Notes:

Recipes. Plans/formulas/recipe drops ignore this system and will be allocated by the Master Looter or another officer. Get the mats and the guild crafter will do their best to make that them for you.

All Items are Equal. This is for simplicity. It doesn't matter if you take the Raid Set 4 gloves or an epic toothbrush. They're the same, you go all the way to the bottom.

Unwanted Items. These get sharded and will be used for guild enchants. If we don't have a disenchanter, we freeroll the item for vendoring.

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Q&A

(Originally posted by Nemo)

Please post questions about this system in this thread, I'll put the answers in this post.

"Should I pass on stuff I know I want because I want to keep my high spot and get something I want more?"

It's up to you. Personally, I say take it if it's an upgrade and it's not central to another guildies build (like rogues won't be taking ranged weapons that are an upgrade to a hunter later in the list, and hunters won't take daggers that are an upgrade to a rogue later in the list). Be a good guildie, but other than that, please take an item that's an upgrade. Movement in the list is (hopefully) frequent, as we kill familiar bosses over and over. Before you know it you'll be at the top again. Remember, every time you see someone take any loot, you move up.

There will be brief discussion during each loot allocation to help everyone with this.

"What about people who have multiple raiding toons, like Nemo and Jay? Aren't they going to hog loot for two classes before someone's main gets some?"

What we're seeing in Kara is that until the overall raid members get geared up, there are different class restrictions in different parts of the instance. If someone's playing an alt, it's at the raid lead's request because the raid wouldn't succeed if we brought our main. So don't flip out if we gear up the toon who turned out to be necessary for the raid to complete the event. Having said that, trust us enough to be good guildies on raids. Having said that, it should be relatively rare that an alt takes gear over someone's main.

"Will we still be using Wow-loot to determine which classes get first crack?  That is, if a [Super-Deluxe Thong of Defense] drops, and a rogue is at the top of the list, does the rogue get first crack?  Or do we ask tanks first?"

We're going to use wow-loot to help guide the conversation, yes. If something's obviously a (tank item, healer item, etc), the Master Looter is going to make that clear when we call for who's interested. For example, if we get a healer item the ML will call out "this is a good item for healers" and don't be surprised if we skip tanks, rogues, hunters, etc and just ask the healing raid members. Loot is going to end up in the right class's hands.

"What about BoP Primal Nethers?"

Short answer is that they don't fall under our raid loot system. Long answer is that I've yet to be on a run where we couldn't work it out through friendly conversation. My suggestion is that if two people want it, the two of them should agree to have one person get it and both of them go on another run to get one for the other person.

If someone says they need it, they get it. If you're on a heroic run, you're very likely to be the only one there who wants the Nether, so it'd go to you. If we ever have two people on the same run working who need the Nether, we'd probably work out a "you owe me one" system between the two of them.